How to Level an RV Without Jacks, Plus a New Giveaway!

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Last summer we shared the cool new device we discovered for leveling an RV. Today we’re demonstrating how the LevelMatePRO is an even bigger game changer for rigs without jack systems, and two lucky viewers will each win one in our latest RVgeeks Giveaway. That’s $280 in prizes!

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If you haven’t already seen how awesome the LevelMatePRO is, we’ll link to our original video down below so you can check it out. This time we’re joined by our friends Brian & Melissa, better known as RVwithTito, where they show us how leveling an RV without built-in jacks is a trial-and-error proposition. We’ll see how the LevelMatePRO provides even more benefit for them than for those of us with hydraulic jacks.

LevelMatePRO, along with more details and reviews, is available on Amazon.

Both of our RVs (our current Mountain Aire and our first rig, a Bounder Diesel) have been equipped with computer-controlled leveling systems, which you’d think would be the perfect way to get perfectly level. But as we showed in that first video, there are two problems.

First, the tolerances of on-board systems are generally mediocre at best. And while getting absolutely, flawlessly level isn’t the most crucial thing in the world, it can help avoid walking into the bathroom door in the middle of the night after it swings open on its own. And bathing is generally nicer without a small lake forming in one corner of the shower.

The second issue, which no jack system can overcome, is the challenge of finding the most level spot to park on. We’ve boondocked in many places that are pretty wide open, allowing us to freely select the exact spot we want to set up camp. We can’t even count the number of times we’ve driven around looking for the most level spot, only to have one of our jacks max out before getting level. It’s just too hard to guesstimate which spot is the most level by eyeing it up. Even using a bubble level only gives us a rough idea. And yes, we can use our Utility Blocks to make up for very off-level situations (that’s what they’re for, right)? But why deal with that when there’s probably a more level place to camp just 50′ away… if we could only identify it!

And of course there are the many times we can’t level at all, like in a Wal-Mart lot, where it’s not appropriate to use jacks, when all we want to do is park in the most level spot. Our on-board system is useless for that.

The LevelMatePRO has totally eliminated all of these issues, with accuracy to within 1/4″ and the ability to tell us where it’s most level while we’re just driving around looking for a spot. Now we don’t even bother trying to deploy the jacks, until we know where the ground is most level.

But Brian & Melissa have a Class C motorhome, and their experience is typical of most RVs without on-board jack systems . The leveling procedure is a real hit-or-miss proposition, usually taking a fair amount of trial and error. And once they get as level as possible, they usually end up saying “good enough” since getting pretty close to level is about the best they generally expect.

The part of the above video demonstrating the successful, perfect leveling of their motorhome using the LevelMatePRO was shot in one take, which is just what you can usually expect in the real world. The system simply tells you exactly how much to raise each wheel of the RV… place that much ramp or stacker height at the appropriate corner, and voila! Brian got their rig perfectly level on the first try, by himself, even in the slippery conditions we had shooting the video!

If you check out the string of 5-star reviews on Amazon, we’re obviously not the only ones who love our LevelMatePRO. We also noticed that those people who posted a question, or reported any issue at all, received an almost immediate response from the owner of LogicBlue Technology, the manufacturer. Chuck obviously stands behind his product and is dedicated to customer service.

Thanks to Brian & Melissa for helping us show how well the LevelMatePRO works for RVs without jacks. And an extra-big thanks for putting together this fun behind-the-scenes video of our day together in the Pacific Northwest. We had a blast, and look forward to our next chance to RV together. Check out their great RVing content on their website & YouTube channel: RVwithTito.com and YouTube.com/RVwithTito.


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  1. I am having a concern about those leveling blocks on my RV. When the tires are on them, the complete tread does not fit, it is light parking on a small curb. I am wondering if this can mess up tires.

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      Yes it can, David. We couldn’t use those levelers on our coach, either, as our tires are about 9″ wide. If we recall correctly, the Andersons are about 6″ wide, so they wouldn’t support the tire properly and could damage the steel belts in the radial tire.

  2. Well I can’t get the widget to work, and when I click on the link to go to the site I either get the same filled in widget or the home page of the contest company.

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  3. I have a tandem axle towable, and have been thinking about finding an easier way to level it. The Level mate and ramps looks doable. However has any one ever used “air bags” for leveling side to side before dropping the stabilizers? Comments would be appreciated.

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  4. Hi Guys!

    This device looks really cool…and thinking of getting one for our new motorhome, but was wondering if t would be challenging to fine tune the leveling as the Equalizer Leveling system only allows you to raise your jacks in pairs (front, back, right, left). So if the Levelmate says your one corner is low, I don’t know if you could correct the situation.

    Thoughts? Still worth buying in this situation?
    Thanks again!
    Rich

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      Hi Rich! Years ago, some motorhomes had leveling systems that could lift one corner at a time. After enough windshields popped out due to chassis torquing, they realized that was a bad idea. LOL Our RV, and every other type we’ve seen, works the same as yours, lifting the nose, tail or one side using pairs of jacks. The LevelMatePRO is designed to work in tandem with that, letting you know if one side or end of the RV is low. Since the display and functionality correspond directly to the leveling system, it’s perfect, and will work great with your system. It’s very intuitive, so you’ll have no problem.

      1. Thanks for the reply. I watched your video again and noticed that you also had a control like mine (jacks work in pairs). So that does answer my question.

        Thanks again.
        Your videos are great – and very helpful.

  5. We took Edna our 78 Itasca class C to deer camp last season and had to actually use logs under the front and curbside to get it lever “enough” for the fridge to work well. So these lever indicators will always come in handy.

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  6. Thank you for telling us about this leveling system. We went from a class C to a class B this year and this would be perfect for us. love your vids…

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  7. Excellent timing. We are about to move out of our pop-up tent trailer into a Class C (and about to start becoming fulltimers with 3 young kids) and had been trying to figure out how to possibly level it. This is brilliant. Would love to enter the contest. Your videos are the best. So glad you keep them going. Little pieces of Engineering genius.

    xo Julia

  8. Hi, love your videos and site in general!
    I have a tip for you about leveling on a wet hard surface where the ramps want to slip. I use ramps all the time while servicing RV’s with my Colorado Springs based mobile oil change business and I discovered a nifty trick to keep them from sliding in wet conditions.
    You will need a couple of old rubber backed bathroom mats to implement this. First you put the mats directly in front of the tires (get them real close). Next, put your ramps 2-3 inches in front of the tires. When you roll forward the front edge of the mats will be under the tires and since the ramps are on top of the mats they will no longer be able to slip! Works every time.

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  9. Loved your info on the leveling system I’m a 74 yr old grandma who does RVing on my own. Sometimes with teen grandkids! Just bought a new rig with no leveling system. Even if I don’t win, I’m going to buy this. Thanks guys for including Tito and his wife. I love his stuff on YouTube.

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  10. Where was the boondock spot you showed at the end? Our rig is about the same size as yours and we are always interested in big rig accessible site. What a view!

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      Hi Michelle! That would be the amazing Alabama Hills in southern California. Here’s a great post about it from our friends Nina & Paul of Wheelingit. The exact GPS coordinates of the site we stayed in are: 36.610927, -118.128550. This particular spot is a little off-level and takes a little work to get a big rig in there comfortably, but if you’re there for at least several days, like we were, it’s worth it!

  11. Thanks for the response. I had come to the same conclusions but being new, I thought I might be missing something.

  12. U GUYS HAVE TURNED INTO PROS ! LOVE ALL THE VIDEOS
    THINGS HAPPEN ???? MY BETTER HALF ALMOST ALWAYS
    SAYS ” CHECK WITH THE RV geeks & SEE IF THE GUYS HAVE
    A VIDEO ? ” WE R FULL-TIMERS, LOVE U GUYS. us 👴👵🐾 .

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  13. Guys I bought the level mate pro after I saw your first video on them. It seems to work as advertised, the only complaint I have is, it seems to eat batteries. We are not full timers but use our rig many times a year, after setting for a couple of months the battery was dead, replaced it and a couple months later, dead again??????? Or I assume it’s dead since the phone says I’m too far away for the signal (standing next to the unit), change battery, works ok????

    1. Hi Otto,

      I wanted to reply with some help on your battery life issue. First and foremost, we do get a number of calls on this issue and the good news is we have never had a defective unit causing this problem so there’s a better than good chance we can resolve this issue with your unit. Most of the time when users think the battery is dead the unit is just in sleep mode. To confirm this, the next time you can’t connect to your unit simply remove and reinsert the same battery and try to connect again. If you are able to connect at that point then the battery is not dead and the unit is working as it should. The LevelMatePRO will move from sleep mode to awake (and connectable) mode when it detects motion. It will then move back into sleep mode after no motion is detected for a user programmed number of hours. So it was designed so that when the RV is stationary after the number of hours defined in the app, it will go into sleep mode and thereby conserve the battery. The next time you head out the motion of your RV going down the road will cause it to move into the awake mode so that when you get to your destination and need to access it for leveling you will be able to. If you would like to wake the system when there has been no motion, a number of users had figured out a trick to do so. Simply pass a magnet across the lid of the LevelMatePRO and it will cause the unit to wake and be connectable.

      For a more detailed explanation of how the system works internally please visit the Troubleshooting page of our website at http://www.LogicBlueTech.com and read the section on “Maximizing your battery life”. If you continue to have issues with battery life after following these recommendations please contact us via email (support@logicbluetech.com) or phone at 828-549-8199 and we will gladly replace your LevelMatePRO with another unit if necessary.

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  14. I really hope to win one! They’re $140, that’s too rich for me to afford. Great video, both current and original. I read each new letter received. Keep up the great work=!

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  15. I had seen your other video regarding the installation and didn’t think it would apply to non-jack RVs/Travel trailers…well you just convinced me otherwise. Even if I don’t win one, we will be getting one of these for our travel trailer this upcoming camping season! I am so excited to get it installed and not have to deal with the “close enough” situations that happen even after trying to level multiple times. Thanks so much for the demonstration!

    1. Hi Kay,

      Glad this video helped you to see how the LevelMatePRO will work for towables. It was actually originally designed for travel trailers and fifth wheels and has specific screens and leveling information designed for that purpose. It also has a Recall Hitch Position feature that will help return the hitch to the same height it was at the time of disconnect, making reconnects a breeze. Please visit our website at http://www.LogicBlueTech.com for screenshots and videos related to using the LevelMatePRO with towables.

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      Hi Kay! So glad to hear that this video helped you to see the value in the LevelMatePRO for RVs without jacks! We knew that showing it on our RV might lead people who DON’T have jacks to think it couldn’t help them. That’s why we asked Brian & Melissa of RVwithTito if we could “borrow” them and their RV for this demonstration! And as Chuck mentioned in his reply… the LevelMatePRO was originally designed for use with towable RVs (travel trailers & fifth wheels)! It’s an awesome product for ALL RVs! :)

  16. Enjoyed your video – and all the others. I recently purchased a motorhome with jacks like yours. My question is; what do you do if the rear of the motorhome is low – enough that the tires may lose traction? I have read that I should never raise the rear tires off the ground because the vehicle could roll. Would chocks on the front tires be enough to stabilize? Do you drive the rear tires up on blocks? Would the jacks be damaged if I raised the rear tires off the ground without chocking the front tires? This might make a good video?

    Thanks for the great videos!

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      Hi David! We would recommend that you not lift all of the rear tires off the ground, since of course they’re the only ones with parking brakes on them. By definition, the only time the rear tires would lift completely off is when the slope is somewhat considerable (downhill toward the tail). That would make us uncomfortable, since the only thing preventing the rig from sliding backwards would be the friction between the jacks and the ground. And they could certainly slide, especially if they’re on top of jack pads, and they could even bend. We would consider wheel chocks as being a potential acceptable precaution to prevent rolling. But that’s a personal choice, and one we generally choose not to trust in this case, since the consequences of a bent jack would qualify mightily as a “self-inflicted wound!” The only time we recall doing it by accident, we were horrified the moment it happened, as the additional side-to-side off-level in that case made our whole rig shift sideways a couple of inches! That was when we were newbies, but even though our jacks are designed to pivot a small amount, we never did that again!

      While we do admit… nobody’s reading this, right? ;-) …. to ignoring all the warnings about lifting the fronts, or ONE rear corner off the ground sometimes, we never lift the entire rear off the ground. We’d either pull in the opposite direction or look for a more level site, if available. Or we’d only lift the rears part-way, and live with being tail low. Some of that decision will depend on the situation. For example, an RV with a residential fridge (like ours) doesn’t have to be level for the fridge to work safely, while propane/electric RV refrigerators can only be safely used within a few degrees of level (check your owner’s manual for the exact number of degrees). Other considerations are how long you’ll be parked there. Staying for a few days off-level is no big deal… but a whole month? Maybe not. Also check what the availability is of other, more level sites, nearby.

      We’re not fans of lifting the tires before jacking by driving up on blocks first. Our attitude has been that if we can’t get the rig leveled comfortably just using the jacks, with Utility Blocks under them as needed, we either stay a little off-level, or find another spot to camp.

      Hope this helps a bit!

  17. I cannot Brian and Melissa, even let you them near them after the last video on Brian’s channel. UPDATE !!!
    I just talked to them and they thought you were selling mattresses :>)

    Great info guys I’m a gonna check the leveler out. I like those leveling blocks also, I have to check with Brian and see where he got them.

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  18. Interesting to see how much effort Brian & Melissa have put into leveling their RV. I have seldom seen other Class C owners use big leveling blocks on three wheels. One or two at the most, but mostly none.

    I bought a LevelMatePRO when they came back in stock after the first RVgeeks video caused a shortage. It took me quite some time to get my RV perfectly level using a laser leveling system and then calibrate the LevelMatePRO. It was surprising how much just a quick jab of a leveling jack would move the corner.

    It might just be me, but that is the last time I’ve gotten all four corners to show zeros at the same time. Usually one or two is out a quarter of an inch but, as is mentioned, the water in the shower drains normally with such fine tolerances. I’ve also noticed that once I get the coach ‘pretty good’ the LevelMatePRO numbers will continue to change for a minute or two. It is really sensitive. Or the ground out west is still settling. Or I’m always finding soft parts in the parking lots and RV parks.

    We are on our way north after spending the winter NOT in the snow and rain and I’ve use the LevelMatePRO more this past week than the previous seven months. Also, the tow car braking system I bought in Quartzsite (iRV Brake) comes with a RV level function in the ‘Command center’ (which receives the signal from the toad and displays it on a tablet.) Both the LevelMatePRO and the brake system tend to agree 100% as to coach levelness.

    Back to the Class C: I would be amazed if the three step leveling blocks would give you all four “0’s” on the first try. Or second. Or third. But that video showed it possible.

    Finally, I think it great that you will be giving away two LevelMatePRO’s. I will not enter the contest as there are probably still a few non-LevelMatePRO-owners out there.

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      Hi John! We’re guessing that owners of RVs without on-board jacks would only use levelers under more than two tires when they are off-level a fair amount both sideways and longways. We purposely had Brian & Melissa do that here to demonstrate the way the LevelMatePRO can level in more complex situations than just nose, tail or side low. As we mentioned in the post, the perfect, successful use of the LevelMate was achieved in one take. No camera tricks involved! We’re not sure what’s up with your leveling situation that would cause the numbers on the system to continue changing for a minute or two. Once we stop driving, the numbers settle in within a few seconds (after the g-forces of driving, then braking, stop affecting it), and it’s smooth as silk getting the side and/or end of the RV up til the numbers click to zero….. every time. Is it possible that you could have it mounted next to something metal that could be affecting it? Also, if you do make little “stabbing” motions with the jacks, it can rock the rig enough to make the numbers fluxuate for several seconds. We find that holding the “up” button on the jacks steadily just until the moment the LevelMate touches zero works very smoothly. Also just thought of one other thing…. do you have air leveling? That might act differently than our hydraulic jacks when it comes to getting stable after making changes.

      1. Good tips. Perhaps my air leveling system in affecting my leveling. I’ll have to make sure that all the air is completely dumped before leveling.

    2. Hi John,

      I wanted to comment on the fact that getting all four wheels at zero in this video on the first take was accomplished using the display resolution setting in the LevelMatePRO app. We rolled out an app update several months ago that allows you to change the display resolution from .25″ (native and default resolution) to .50″, 1.0″ and 1.25″. The purpose of this setting is to allow users to set the display resolution to the thinnest block or ramp step distance that they carry with them. Of course this display change is done through rounding to the number nearest the current display resolution so it does mean giving up some accuracy, but if your thinnest block or ramp step is 1″ then you are limited to that accuracy anyway. Not sure if the guys had the resolution set to .50″ or 1.0″, but you can see in the video that the LevelMatePRO is only displaying in some combination of those increments. The higher the display resolution is set the more stable the display becomes but you probably wouldn’t want to change from the default .25″ for use with leveling jacks since you have infinite adjustment. Even if you have leveling jacks it can be a benefit to change to a higher display resolution when trying to locate the most level spot in a parking lot or camp site as it will stabilize the display a great deal. Of course then you can change it back to the finer resolution when you want to level using your jacks.

      Thanks for being a customer and glad you like the product!

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